Bread and Circus

Brazil won Argentina once more. Now with new players against their Tevez Messi Riquelme Mascherano super team. You can read them crying at the Argentinean blog, saying they could have won 6-3. That’s very easy to say. That arrogance is so very irritating!

I heard Maradona selected this new coach… really?

Who is this loser Jessica/Aimee with no life posting gibberish?

“Oh Brasil your claim to still be better than Italy might be true but i think that you are forgetting that the team that played the best, most beautiful futbol in this last world cup was your neighbor to the south. I think that Brasil is in for a tough 8 years of soccer. the talent level has definatly dropped off with your next generation. ”

ToddUtah displays the unfortunate tendency among so many people to judge Brazil based entirely on their World Cup performance. He’s not alone in this. A lot of casual, uninformed people around the globe who only watch the game during the world cup become instant experts on teams and players by watching less than a handful of games every 4 years.

I’m not sure about Dunga’s effectiveness as a coach, I’m still in “wait and see” approach. I frankly don’t have high hopes for him but I’m willing to give him a chance. Brazil was strong against Argentina in London but they continue not to play with much flair (tho Robinho did provide some nice moments).

And of course Brazil is better than Italy. Even a weak Brazil is far more interesting to watch than a coarse boring squad like Italy’s.

Posted from  United States

You certainly cannot put too much weight on one game and Argentina did have “chances” although none as good as the three opportunities that Brasil converted. The two big takeaways for me
were (1) Robinho was spectacular, proving to
me beyond doubt that he should have been on the field at least at the start of the second half of the France game and (2) the retro (1994) style
of aggressively challenging possession at all times
was extremely effective in dictating the pace of the game and taking Riquilme out of it - and
serves as an early indicator both that Dunga
knows what he is doing and that he can infuse
his personality into the team.

Posted from  United States

@sandrahn

Regarding your comment

“Even a weak Brazil is far more interesting to watch than a coarse boring squad like Italy’s.”

Tell’s me you are not a football fan but a partisan.

Posted from  Canada

to Luis Paulo
yeah, ok, Brazil still the best, yet not invincible. Brazil may have the most titles but that will change one day. Italy. ca catch up Brazil may always boast aboout being the favorite but there will always be that one team that will remind Brazil that as great as they boast to be they are not invincible. So what;s the matter Carioca boys can’t beat France? France has their number and no one, no one can deny it. sent home in ‘86 by France, Trashed in ‘98 by France (great excuse, Ronaldo not feeling well!) and germany ‘06 lost to France again. france has taught Brazil a great lesson: You are not invincible.May be if Brazil let its black plyers participate they can do better.

thank you guys

isn’t the nature of being the best being envied?
brazil is a talent factory with players in pretty much all leagues around the world. other countries are happy with having a few players and in the case of argentina they just relish the maradona years to the boring extreme…..brazil so far is doing well in that dunga is exposing the talent that the stupid parreira ignored. will dunga carry brazil to the next worldcup? it’s too early to know but one thing he is doing right: building a new team…..I just hope that he will not fall back into calling ronaldo who is better off outside the team because there is too much resentment when a “diva” like him comes aboard. the other big question is ronaldinho, the guy has been disappointing and who know why but if he cannot perform well then he has to be out…..

The Wales match was good and the most important news is that we may have the
replacement for Roberto Carlos in *Marcelo*. He had a fantastic game.
Positive news of Ronaldinho shining again and the finds like Carvalho, Wagner Love and Blumer Elano are extremely encouraging. If Adriano gets
back to form in Serie A then he should be back to partner Robinho who has been
scintillating throughout and totaly underplayed by Parreira.

Conceicao and myself have said that
for building the new team Dunga was
the best choice. We need to get the FIGHT back to the team we all love.
And no better fighter than Dunga. He has been described as defensive minded but still now he is doing well.

Sure he may not be enough for 2010
but lets wait and watch a little.

Team seems to me ( just a thought)

Gomes
Marcelo Lucio Juan/Luisao Cicinho

Blumer Elano, Gilberto Silva, Kaka,
Ronaldinho ( only 1 defenisive midfielder) Julio Baptista

Wagner Love/Carvalho/Adriano
Robinho

Let me know your thoughts.

Posted from  India

Gautam,
I am not so sure about ronaldinho. yes, he is good at the club but for some reason he does terrible in the national team and the last thing we should do is hamper the team spirit by having a guy onboard only because he is famous. this was part of the problem in germany where ronaldo was a prima-donna and we paid the price. ronaldinho should be left out if the team is working. adriano is another story, so far he is in a slump and there is no reason to call him.

Hi Al,

This charge has been levelled against Gaucho often. But his contribution in
2002 WC is overlooked. He was also
a livwire at the 2005 Confed Cup and was
the Man of the Match in the finals.

Regarding 2006 WC I think that there were several reasons for his failure

1. He was underutilized and played very deep where he is not effective. Most educated socer critics ( I am not one of them) say that Gaucho is a
creator and the play must flow through him just as in Barcelona.

2. He probably was burnt out as he has been essentialy pulling the Bracelona team for two seasons now.
All siad and done their key is Gaucho.

3. Some of the reports coming out
suggest that team spirit was very low and there was strong differences in the team in WC 06.

4. His love affair with the Fench model.

After Zidane he is the best player in the world without any arguments and one cannot keep Gaucho out of the team. I dont think that Gaucho has the *Galcatico* attitude like Ronaldo. Read how he helped younger
people like Messi in finding their feet. I dont think there will be any problem.

Against Wales he showed his customar magic again and also for Barcelona.
One cannot have a player of the level of Ronaldinho and not use him. But fo course he has to be within the team discipline. I think that Dunga is a tough coach and he will not allow any
Galactico attitudes.

Ref Adriano he is indeed in a slump
but he is young and will certainly recover. When he fires he is simply explosive as in 2005 Confed Cup. Lets
hope he fires again because there should be any doubt regarding his quality.

Posted from  India

Gautam, ronaldinho played horribly against wales and so far he has been without scoring for over one year!! sure, we agree that parreira did not play his cards right but ronaldinho seems to be continuing with his terrible level of play at the national team who knows, he may well be not national team material anymore and that is fine, brazil can go on without him with kaka and other brilliant players that dunga is bringing out of the shelves. so far I like what dunga is doing and I would not be surprised if ronaldinho remains on the bench for a long time see, other teams could not afford to leave ronaldinho on the bench but brazil can and should so that they win.

To Johnnie Manzan - Italy has not been able to beat France since 1978. The only way Italy could beat France was by penalties, not open play. Germany 2006 was the first time Italy managed to beat France since that time. We Brazilians all know there are always teams that can beat us - we don’t need Brazil haters like you to tell us. We are our biggest critics - nothing you can say can equal the stuff coming out of the Brazilian media and Brazilian fans. But this is the reality that people like you can’t face: WE ALWAYS COME BACK. And by the way, unlike Italy, we win by playing open, positive, attacking football. Not the incredibly uninspiring dull italian style, or where one player uses a cheap trick to deliberately get the opposing team’s best penalty taker red carded out of the game.

Posted from  United States

Hi all,
I’m new to this blog, i have looked around to find a brazil fan blog and thank god i found one.
i would like to comment on the last world cup were many see it as a failure, but come on guys, you can’t expect brazil to win every world cup it participates in!
yes we didn’t play as expected, that wasn’t because of having alot of stars. believe me if brasil team that won the world cup 2002 played france \in germany we still would have lost. they have one hell of a team with the best two centre backs in the world, gallas, thuram, and in fron of them they got the best defensive midfielder and the best central midfielder in the world in Makelele and Viera respectively.
they had a really strong defence, stronger than any defence italy had in history.
as for ronaldo i think he played horribly the 1st two matches but then he clicked and played great. our defence was really good, but too bad carlos did that mistake by letting henry loose. cafu was battling with ronaldinho all the time as if he wants to be the play maker. so it is normal that ronaldinho was shocked by his teamates’s attitude. especially cafu. so he didn’t have the love needed to push him to perform and this disaffection towards the national team carried on untill now. but believe me he will recover soon.
so the reason we got kicked out of the wc was the difference among the players in the dressing room which parriera should have solved.
look at ghana game, carlos being alone with adriano in front of the goal and not passing it to him? cafu and ronaldinho alone, why not pass it to him why?
adriano and ronaldo, why not give him the ball???
Fuck them 3 all, cafu, carlos, adriano…
then came carlos and finished us off against france. that was it……

hi

can anyone tell me how to post messages on the front page? it’s been ages since last update…

ali,
I think you are being generous with brasil 2006. the canarinha could and should have beaten france with no problem. this french team was not great at all and zidane could have been neutralized. the problem is that ronaldo was merely seeking his record and the old gang were all out to help him get that (cafu, roberto carlos and parreira)while cafu was pursuing his own set of records while the better team members got pissed by this stupidity. the attitude of these three morons destroyed the team attitude as it was reflected by the actions of adriano who simply wanted to play and win without concerning with ronaldo’s record.
ronaldinho is not anymore a national team player why? we don’t know. is he too careful about keeping himself from risk? who knows but the guy sucks for over one year now and it is not fair to have a log on the team when there are eager players who want to play and win.

so far I am pleased with dunga. I don’t know if he is just as bridge or if he will carry the team to south africa but he has done something important in breaking the cycle of relying on superstar players. pele had to go to the bench and yet brasil won that cup and ronaldo is no pele.
just imagine if ronaldo, cafu and ronaldinho had been out and fred, robinho and cicinho in…..would france have won? I venture to say no.

Posted from  United States

The obvious subs at the half of the France game were Robinho for Juninho and/or Cicinho for
Cafu - even though either move probably would
have obviated Parreira’s 120-minute game plan.
The point was that Cafu was already gassed - I
think from being targeted and attacked by the French - and that Juninho was totally failing to
effect Parreira’s stated aim of crowding the midfield. The bigger question is why Parreira
again hesitated after the French goal and then
subbed Adriano in when he finally did act. The
only explanation that I can come with for all this
is that Parreira promised Adriano when he pulled
him as a starter that he would be the first or an early sub and would not go against his
word when the game situation dictated otherwise. Sounds crazy, but what other explanation is there?

Posted from  United States

Euler that is so true, i just came back from that argentine blog and man are they pathetic!
We beat them by a huge score, again, not 1 not 2 but three clear cut goals just to show our demonance against what they like to call “RIVALS”!
Come on we arent rivals, we just a TEAM argie would like to be 20 years from now.
What they are to us “DAILY BREAD”, whenever we play them we suddenly feel hungry for more.
“We could have beaten Brazil this, that come on they need to smell the coffee, they will never get another WC ever and 78′WC is our HEXA, morally anyway!
They dudes need to move on as they should’nt compare us with their immature loser attitude.
We lose only if let ourselves to not the other TEAM was better and the WORLD knows that, we dont have to prove nothing to anybody cause we know we are 5 steps ahead of # 2 and current World Champs.

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Posted from  Australia

@sandrahn

Your last post was not worthy of what I think you have to offer to a football conversation.

Your comments on Italian football are not only inappropriate but obviously false. A little more respect for the world champions and our Europrean brothers.

After all many Brazilians play or dream of playing in Italy.

italy’s soccer league is great and how could it not be with so many foreign stars playing there? as for the national team I agree with sandrahn, italy plays a dull game and relies too much on playing tricks. world champions? so what? portugal played far better than italy did…..since the 1970 cup italy has played a lousy game…..

Posted from  United States

Ok al……take care.

Luis Paulo,

Why so sure that all old faces will be back? As Dunga has shown, and as many of us knew, Brazil can field many young guys who actually want to wear the Canarinha! Let the new faces reign, let the oldies (including Ronaldinho!) join in only when ready to play at the same level.

Posted from  United States

From the way Kaka against Argentina and Dinho
against Equador reacted to first half benchings,
you have to assume that neither of them was taking any chances with the “we’ll be back
anyway” line of thinking. The game was
entertaining but certainly not well played by
Brasil. Thought the left back - I assume
Marcelo - had a very weak game, but continue
to be impressed by Elano’s character on the pitch.
BTW, Brasil hit the woodwork three times in the
second half - twice by Ronaldinho on really
well-struck free kicks.

Posted from  United States

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