So Why No Pato Again???

Not the big bulky forward he is looking for. Pato, isn’t strong and cannot hold off defenders like Adriano and Luis Fabiano can. He can’t hold onto the ball and wait for people to come and lay it off to them. His physical frame isn’t built to do that. Dunga wants a forward that can shrug past defenders and gets shots on goal. Pato, would most likely fall to the ground due to his frame. That is why Nilmar is above him. I can see him looking at Hulk now. As he also, fits those attributes. I have noticed Dunga won’t change his playing style with Brazil. So, Diego and Pato will find it difficult to get into the team without changing their style of play.

Joel i understand your claim, but we desperately need speed up top and Pato is just killing every defender he faces in Serie A with just that. we already have enough Physical strikers on the squad and with Robinho slacking off Internationally Pato’s vibrant form is exactly what we need at the moment. he will be missed on the bench againts Argentina.. Mark my words!! ADRIANO OVER PATO: DUNGA IS AN IDIOT.

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I think we all know what Pato is capable of. I am just stating what Dunga wants his team like. It Is like Diego Maradona not picking Mauro Zarate and Gonzalzo Higuain as he wants out and out strikers (goal-poachers) up front instead of strikers that drift on the wing sometimes. Brazil should do fine against Argentina. They are not well organised and struggle defensively.

yea i understand what your saying also. however 15 goals in the serie a as an 18 year old. results dont lie. call pato. adriano is playing good right now but to call him over a budding star such as pato is frankly a little riddiculous

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I think Dunga should call up both Adriano and Pato. He needs to drop Nilmar who, I believe, does not have the necessary qualities to play for Selecao. He’s quite an average forward who has never proved himself at the highest level.

If you say Nilmar is an average forward well you haven’t seen him play then. Furthermore, I wouldn’t call the French Ligue 1 the highest level of European football. It is the fifth best league in Europe. Nilmar has now moved to Villarreal in the La Liga who challenge for Champion’s League. Nilmar has played alot better then, Adriano recently so, your logic is pretty flawed.It should be Pato then Nilmar then Hulk then Adriano.

Maybe you guys are going too far with the Adriano selection. I agree that Pato should have been chosen over Adriano based on recent form, but to go further and nominate Hulk and Nilmar over Adriano is absolutely ludricous, infact insane. Adriano based on his overrall contribution is a more accomplished striker than Nilmar and Hulk(even Pato). Infact I suspect that the reason why Dunga chose him is because of his previous accomplishments for the brazilian team unrivalled in recent times save for Ronaldo’s. What has Nilmar or hulk really achieved in their career that is so mind blowing as so suggest that they should be picked over Adriano. I am sorry this forum is turning into some kind of popularity contest as opposed to giving insightful commentary for ardent soccer followers

Using your line of logic, Nilmar hasn’t really achieved anything substantial to merit such consideration. he recently moved from the brazilian league where Adriano ironically is currently the highest goal scorer. Hulk on the other hand, has been languishing in the Japanese league till last season where he scored 8 times in over 24 appearances and then had a very good preseason. I understand the need to inject some youngsters into the team, but to start calling for the inclusion of youngsters such as Nilmar, and Hulk is unwise. You may as well include Kerlon, Keirrison and Walter if that is your preference. Despite popular perception, age and experience wins championships in sports in General. People always pick the few cases where an aging team disappoints to call for the inclusion of young and unproven youngsters. It may sound insane, but I will gladly choose an attacking formation featuring Adriano and Ronaldo (as old as they may be) over one featuring Nilmar and Pato. When was the last time a team made of of youngsters achieved anything in the world stage (The Ajax team of 1995 was an exception, and such team will not be seen in a while). Call me insane, I will rather hedge my bets on these proven players than count on players who have not proven themselves in the world stage. Pato’s is actually an interesting case. Here is a guy who was supposed to dominate in the recent olympics against supposedly weaker opponennts but failed to do so and was eclipsed by players such as Aguero. Why then will you expect Dunga to pick him over a guy like Adriano who when called upon in crucial games delivers. The same reason can be made why Diego is not well liked by Dunga (though I love diego). Anyways, I don’t mean to be patronizing, but next time you start yearning for youngers players, take a hard look at Arsenal and their current predicament. i have no issue with Pato in general, because I believe that HIS TIME WILL SURELY COME WHEN HE WILL BE THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD BUT NOT NOW, JUST AS KAKA AND RONALDO WERE IN THE BRAZILIAN 2002 AND 1994 WORLD CUP TEAM RESPECTIVELY BUT NEVER REALLY PLAYED BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL INEXPERIENCED.

Sometimes people forget how Dunga was a player and seems to have a loyalty system to keep calling players. Those who somehow did something good for him keep getting called. This is why for a long time he kept calling Doni, Vagner Love, Josue and others – because when none of the top stars were available, these people took the Copa America home. And this still justifies Julio Baptista in the team, for instance. (you may also remember Kaka and Ronaldinho on the bench…)

And Dunga keeps offering chances to those guys until they blew themselves up. This is why Fernando, Afonso, Doni, Anderson and others were shown the exit door. This is how Ronaldinho destroyed his reputation with Dunga. He had several chances, including the Olympics, and did not match the expectations. And I believe the same applies for Pato. Besides his debut in a friendly against Sweden, Pato never responded well. Including the Olympics, many friendlies and the participation in the Confederations Cup.

It does not matter the performance in the club. Dunga is looking for reliability with the yellow jersey – something that people Like Parreira and Felipao have done before. I believe that he is disappointed with Pato.

I hope this also explain why Diego is never there.

So why Adriano, even out of shape? A match in Argentina is always a very physical match – especially when played in Rosario (if you follow Copa Libertadores, you know what I’m talking about). When Adriano is a tough guy. More than that: Argentinians shit on their pants when they face Adriano. He is a ghost for them – given the goals in the 04 Copa America and the 05 Confederations Cup. Football is a game that you start winning with the things surrounding the game, and I’m sure this influenced Dunga – a man who visited Argentina as a player.

Finally, Dunga may just be offering the last chances for Adriano. A lot of what happens in the future for him with Brazil will be a direct result from these two matches for the qualifying – and I’m not talking about the 90 minutes, but all the training sessions, his behavior…

I would pick in form players that play against the best opposition imo. Fabio Capello does that with England and it has benefited them greatly. But, I guess I can see where you are coming from. Dunga likes to pick players he knows can work well and are experienced.

Sandro of Internacional just called up by Dunga to replace Josue. What do you guys think??? Good call??

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it is a bit suspicious that he gets a call just when he is being linked to English football, and that by being called he meets looser rules to work there. There may be some money flying around.

Hernanes should of been called up instead of Sandro. In fact Diego should of been called up =/

Also, on another note Vagner Love has returned to Brazil from CSKA Moscow for personal reasons (family). He has gone to his birth club, Palmerias on a one year loan deal. He feels he stands a better chance of getting into the Brazil National team if he plays in Brazil instead of Russia.His form hasn’t been up to scratch this season. Last season his form in Russia and the Uefa Cup was amazing. I would expect a move to England, Italy, Germany or Spain would help him get the call up.

Furthermore, its early days but, Nilmar isn’t starting for Villarreal. After, a poor performance he was dropped out of the starting line for their Europa League game against Ducth team NAC Breda. Joseba Llorente was proffered over him. HGe needs to find the net in a competitive game for Villarreal very early on or he might turn into an Altidore of the USA.

Also, as Vagner Love has gone to Palmerias. They have replaced him with Milohomem Guilherme of Dynamo Kiev on a one year loan deal with a view of making the deal permanent.Weird move for Dynamo. Give your best player on loan. Must be in financial difficulties.

Sorry for triple post but, they put Guilherme on loan I guess as they bought back Shevchkeno off Chelsea. So, they are giving up their best striker for a 32 year old veteran who they created. That is crazy!

hi sorry to say but joel is quite out his or her head about pato. firstly pato is only 20 now and hasent got a lot of experence but yes i will say he is a diver but so is nilmar. nilmar is only 25 or 24 but so he is older and yes he scored a hatric againt chile but pato could have done it to it dunga gave pato more experience by leting him play some friendlys nilmar plays for villareal pato play for ac milan wich is much better than villareal so i think biasly pato is a 100% better.

but if ronaldo the brazilian of cource played right forward and pato played on the left it would be a good partnership or luis fabiano of cource for a sub or ronaldo for luis fabiano sub it will work because ronaldo is not fat he runs like the wind and luis fabiano is an amazing goal scorer or rivaldo.

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